Anyone ever use The Sage from Simon Hawke’s novels to explain the avangion face on the Chak’sa? His lighthouse in Bodach seemed to have some time travel properties (or was that just an illusion?). Maybe once his transformation is completed he could fly out the window and help to found kreen civilization in the Green Age? I know it’s wacky, but hey, just as wacky as Oronis going back in time.

Due to the fact that the Sages lighthouse leads to a time in Athas’s past I’d say it is most definitly possible that Chak’sa is the Sages bust. If I were going to make the land green again and bring about the destruction of the remaining Dragon Kings I’d want an army of fanatically devoted super-bugs on my side too.
If I were to use this situation in-game I’d have the Kreen army lead by the Avangion in opposition to Dregoths second comming.
Point-The Sage would be killed by the Avangion spell due to the fact that he is NOT human.
I’ve never read that Orunis went back in time…did he do that?

Assuming that the Sage is an avangion and his metamorphosis won’t kill him (see my second post on http://arena.athas.org/forums/the-pit/topics/av… ), having a crazed bug man army does seem like a great idea. But… since I prefer to have the kreen empire be baddies, my own version of events would have the Sage be killed or eaten (mmm magically marinated elf flesh) or otherwise done away with by the Haazi and the zik-chil (their zik-trin deface the Chak’sa after all). His historical influence, however, would pave the way for Oronis or another avangion taking command of the normal thri-kreen and tohr-kreen and maybe, just maybe, defeating the Haazi.
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Having Oronis go back in time (instead of going to other dimensions for the final stage of his metamorphosis) to take on the role of the Great One is a cool idea that’s been kicked around by some of the folks here.

Ah… don’t be so hard on the Kreen. If you had an empire that all of a sudden went apes&*t crazy, you’d be pissed at the fleshies too. Remember, the Order’s grand plan, if it effected the table lands out to the Road of Fire, effect the same distance in all directions. The Empire would have been a gnarly mess. I would want to find out what happened and stop it too. And if that meant eating those responsible, so be it.

Did Oronis develop the avangion transformation by himself? Or did he have help? Could the Great One be that help?
LOL if that is the case and the sage is the “first avangion”, he could have taught it to oronis in the past.
(Asuming the sage is the “Great one”)
In otherwords, Because of the piss poor state that Athas is in, The sage eventually develops the avangion transformation, travels back in time to try and aviod the whole thing. Abviously he fails, and possibly teaches Oronis the spell. Leading to Oronis becoming the next great hope.
Or is that a little too crazy?