Clerics and the Sorcerer Kings

Personally I feel like the relationship of the SKs to druids has to be more complex than simple animosity or disinterest unless a direct threat. The SK’s don’t want the world to fall further into ruin anymore than anyone else does really, even though they may be one of the huge causes of it. Where exactly did the trees of life that are in the City States come from? I don’t think it makes any sense for a defiler to even be capable of creating something like that, perhaps an Avangion could, but it seems more the realm of Druids. I could totally see a few sad but dutiful druids tending to the trees of life in the SKs gardens to prevent the worse destruction of the land that would occur without them. The fact that the SKs have most defilers hunted down and destroyed helps as well for there to be an awkward and very limited collaboration between druids and the SKs as it helps to limit the continued devastation of defiling. The areas around most of the City-States are extremely verdant in comparison to most of the tablelands, I find it hard to square this idea as coincidence with so much strain on the land in those place from the urban populations who are ruled be defilers and employ them without some form of nature/life magic helping to maintain fertility. Of course it clerics could also help and be a part of that, and that’s much less fraught, then the idea of Druid collaborators, but again I ask where do those Trees of Life come from? who maintains them and how? And what is really in the best interest of preserving the life and vitality of Athas?

I would seriously consider having some twisted form of Spirits of the Land present around all the City-States which have some form of druid serving them in the employ of the SKs. There would be some very awkward and disturbing dynamics there, but that’s really what the setting is like in a lot of ways.

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The (3.5e, take it as you will) creation requirements for a Tree of Life from Terrors of Athas:

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Its neither a crusade nor a jihad. In terms of canon, there is literally nothing to describe how the war was conducted, but there is no evidence there was a religious dimension to it. Don’t get me wrong - I am the last person to do the political correctness thing. In this case it just isn’t apposite. If it was religious, I’d probably stick to my guns and say it was a “jihad” or use some other religious term (probably “holy war”, because there is no reason to use Arabic or any foreign language).

The Sorcerer Monarchs have elemental cleric and druid collaborators.

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I agree that it was not in fact a religiously based event, but Rajaat’s followers definitely were fanatics and had a ‘cult of personality’ feel to the whole thing - i’ve always thought the word jihad lent a proper feel to the thing. Rajaat may not have had a religion, but he had a cult.

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It depends on which version of canon you accept. Originally, Rajaat was basically unknown to the ordinary participants of the cleansing wars. Rajaat took a step back after creating the champions, and was basically uninvolved. This changed in the unpublished Secrets of the Dreadlands, with Rajaat taking a direct role. See this critique here.

  1. The official timeline also radically distorts the Wanderers’ and Prism Pentad’s presentation of the Cleansing Wars. In the PP-Wanderer version, the Champions are the crucial part and Rajaat preferred to stay in the Pristine Tower rather than directly intervene. Yet according to the timeline, Rajaat is an active participant. He not only personally orchestrates the afore-mentioned “jihad” against the preservers but organises research into the elemental planes. In the PP, Rajaat shows himself powerful enough to turn back time and cause an apocalyptic flood (quite apart from being invincable). Clearly if Rajaat wanted to take an active part he wouldn’t need to bother creating the Champions. The timeline also acknowledges a poor creation of the Psionic Artifacts of Athas in introducing the warlord Irikos, the “left hand of Rajaat”. Arn’t the Champions supposed to be Rajaat’s warlords? It would have been much more useful if the official timeline has adapted Irikos and made him either a lieutenant of one of the Champions or a Champion who was replaced by one of the SKs.

The problem with the “cult of Rajaat” is that he is an obscure figure in current day Athas. What does the Wanderer’s Chronicle say?

'From Rajaat’s place atop the Pristine Tower, bathed in the light of the crimson sun, an immeausrably older Warbinger waited for victory. Weeks turned to years, years to centuries, until one day Rajaat saw his Champions return. He stood before them with his long shocks of gray hair and white, burning eyes, eagerly anticipating the news they brought him. “Have all the abominations been destroyed?” Rajaat asked his Champions. “Can the Blue Age start anew?” ’

Doesn’t sound like someone that is directly leading anything.

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I neither implied or required Rajaat to be all powerful or overly personally involved with the Preserver Jihad or the Cleansing Wars - all of that is completely beside the point.

Rajaat’s cult-like following would clearly only have had an effect while he was a known personage, like in the Time of Magic when he was the greatest superstar Athas had ever known, not in the thousands of years since his imprisonment.

His role only need have been as as simple as declaring Preservers and then the non-human Rebirth Races ‘bad’, and letting his/the Warlords and/or Champions go to it.

“Rajaat said they gotta die” can be his whole role and nothing in canon history changes (as he did train and equip the Champions).

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Personally, I don’t have a problem with the “preserver jihad” term, but that may be the result of me being used to the term as it has been in use for so long.

Since the war on preservers was a prelude to the cleansing wars, I suggest the “scouring” or “the preservers scouring” as an alternative name for those of who don’t think jihad is the right term.

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In all honesty when I first saw the term I thought it was created by someone’s fan fiction and had been somewhat popularized among some players so I mostly ignored it. I had never seen it in any 2e material And I had never looked that close into the 3e timeline to see it was called out there. In released 3e material the term is found in at least seven products. AE, DS3, FotDL, FotFN, LoA, SotDL, and CoB.

But to me, just the term alone felt out of place and confusing for DS. I wasn’t sure if it was a jihad perpetuated by them or a jihad perpetuated against them by someone else. My initial reaction was the former based on my understanding of jihad.

I’d love to see the original Kevin Melka reference from the mail list if anyone has it. Or knows the time frame he made the reference.

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Doing a little deep diving on this one to see if I could further determine the source of the “jihad” and see if it could be found the original DS mailing list. (it’s only 25,000 pages long if dumped into Word :slight_smile: )
There are a few references to jihad there. The earliest mention regarding a preserver jihad was in Feb 2001 of someone (Lumpkin) complaining about not liking the new timeline and “Rajaat’s pointless jihad against the preservers” so the timeline goes that far back.

To me it is apparent that the reference was written into the timeline first and then propagated into at least one athas dot org product. FotDL (It was not created the other way around - i.e. created in a product first and then written into the timeline.)

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That’s my assessment too. The Kevin Melka timeline is somewhere on the list, and if the timeline has not been manipulated in this post (it says it’s Melka’s post), then you can see it here..

By the way, while Rajaat’s jihad against preservers doesn’t seem religious from my reading of the timeline, the Sorcerer Monarch jihad against druids definitely give off those vibes.

The sorcerer-kings call for a jihad against the druids of Athas. For the next three centuries the blood of druids across the land stains the sands red in what would be known as the Eradication.

Sounds like the Sorcerer Monarchs got their templars into a religious frenzy and set them on the druids.

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Going back to 1999 it looks like there was some discussion to have a “Timelines of Athas” accessory to reconcile all the history and something was eventually created.

I cannot find the timeline on mailing list by itself.

However, WoTC did have a link to the timeline from their webpage back in 2000 https://web.archive.org/web/20000818060140/http://www.wizards.com/dnd/DnDDownloads_prev.asp
it doesn’t say who the author is, but from what I gather is it attributed to Melka.

There is also an archived webpage that references the timeline in the mailing list for a webpage containing the same info.
(the Sands of Eternity -- Timeline of Athas)
was this Flip’s?
Snapshot is from May 14, 2001 but is referenced in the mailing list in Dec 4, 1999

“Rajaat begins a jihad against the preservers of Athas for the next thousand years.”
and
“The sorcerer-kings call for a jihad against the druids of Athas.”

There the jihad language is used twice there and copied to athas dot org timeline.

However, the athas dot org timeline looks to have slightly different dates, but the language is the same.
It is never given a name perse, like “the Preverver Jihad” or “the Druid Jihad” it just says that there was a jihad against them.

From the timeline “jihad” was carried on into the discussion on the mailing list and forums. I just as easily could have been called anything else… a purging, extermination, a cleansing, etc.
Plus, I also think post Sept 2001 “jihad” took on a more defined (and more accurate) meaning than in 1999-2000.

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It would make sense to elaborate a bit to make these two incidents plausible. For example, the so-called preserver jihad -

Rajaat initially insisted that his students be careful not to damage the land when drawing power for magic, known as defiling. After centuries of encouraging preserving magic, Rajaat suddenly encouraged a new batch of students to excessively draw life energy from plants. Preservers around Athas reacted negatively towards this, and Rajaat ordered his new students to destroy the dissenters wherever possible. This lead to conflict between preservers and Rajaat following defilers in the time before the cleansing wars.

And the druid jihad -

Druids started to lead a movement against the Sorcerer Monarchs, blaming the Sorcerer Monarchs for the destruction of Athas. As the druids gathered allies and armies to destroy the Sorcerer Monarchs, the Sorcerer Monarchs in turn stirred their templars into a religious frenzy, calling for a holy war against the druids. The druids came close to defeating the Sorcerer Monarchs and may have even toppled some of them. In the end however the Sorcerer Monarchs were victorious and put an end to political druidism forever. This holy war against the druids is known as the Eradication.

This makes the setting a bit more dynamic, as Rajaat of the Sorcerer Monarchs are not simply initiating everything but rather also having to react to matters beyond their control.

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Seriously. The current timeline sort of makes it seem like no one else is a fully active participant in the world

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Agreed, I’ve also elaborated on the timeline a good deal for this reason. Though I also made the controversial move of shortening the time between the cleansing wars and today to centuries rather than millennia

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Not to mention Rajaat doing ten thousand years of virtually nothing.

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It’s a little puzzling that he could be set on a course to do what he did for so long and simply not make any significant moves in that direction. The patience of that little mutant is beyond measure if that’s the case. Otherwise you’d think that something happened much later to trigger him to change course onto a much darker path, but it’s not presented that way. It would make a lot more sense if he had been trying to work with others towards a vision and something had turned him down a dark path closer to the start of the Cleansing wars. But it seems like he was just sort of always evil and figuring out how to kill off all the rebirth races while hiding it from everyone and not actually doing it for thousands of years. Pretty implausible to me.

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For those curious I describe the Preserver Jihad as this:

“The Veiled Alliance, having made significant gains in the wake of the Obsidian War (the war of Uruk vs Yaramuke) attempts to overthrow the remaining city states. This leads to a bloody jihad by the sorcerer kings which lasts for decades. Eventually the Veiled Alliance of the era is destroyed and is forced to instead fracture into various local cells with their own goals, leadership, and methods. The avangion leading the alliance during this age is destroyed along with nearly all records of her existance.”

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As a staunch Dark Sun conservative, I am suspicious and hesitant about much of anything from the 2nd Boxed Set era and beyond. It could be argued this was the era when Dark Sun publications risked “jumping the shark.” Among my suspicions is the presented timeline from 2nd Box, and though I laud the great care given to the chronology presented by the Council of Athas.org, it is inherently built using the 2nd Box material, which itself was poorly thought out and designed.

Regarding the Preserver Jihad, from a 1st Box perspective, we know precious little of this. To my recollection, the key passages in the publications are from Book of Artifacts and Dragon’s Crown.

The Silencer of Bodach entry from BoA states:

In the ancient wars that ravaged Athas, the
city of Bodach was a great neutral power. Its
armies and magicians jealously guarded the
lands of the city-state while the rulers refused all
offers of alliance with the warring defilers and
preservers. Eventually, the great defiler war-
lords decided to eliminate Bodach, and a great
host gathered to destroy the city.
The leader of this host was a human defiler
and warlord named Irikos, “the left hand of
Rajaat.” It was Irikos’s ancient duty to destroy
the race of orcs, and when the last orc was no
more, he turned to the conquest of all who did
not stand with Rajaat’s captains.

Within game publications, this 1993 product is I believe the first time Rajaat is mentioned by name. Furthermore, in first Box era, this I believe is the only time Rajaat is mentioned by name, so it is qutie the Easter egg.

Regarding the chronology of Dark Sun, we may take from this passage several key points.

  1. There were “warring defilers and preservers” at the time of the death of Irikos, who was a Champion of Rajaat, assigned to the destruction of orcs. We gather that these preserver-defiler wars (the “preserver jihad”) were great enough for major city-states to enact a policy of neutrality regarding them.

  2. Enough time had elapsed in the time of magic for powerful magicians, capable of destroying a Champion of Rajaat like Irikos, to have developed in the major metropolises.

  3. That the preserver-defilers wars were concurrent with the Cleansing Wars. Already, Champions of Rajaat had taken the field to destroy their assigned races, and indeed, at least according to BoA, all the orcs were already dead.

In Dragon’s Crown, I cite some of the most useful passages:

At the time, Haakar’s forces had control of the entire Road of Fire. This situation changed whent he war-lord defiler, Merek the Wrong, mounted a campaign to take Haakar’s keep.

Book II, 15

Merek, a warlord defiler, lay siege to Haakar’s fortress centuries ago. The army had cut off the fortress from its supply lines for nearly a year, and was preparing an assalt on Akarakle, when a sudden catastrophic event annihilated both armies and split the walls of the preserver’s keep.

Book II, 23

Merek’s letter to Hammanu

Hammanu,
Tomorrow we will begin the assault on Akarakle. By sun ascending, I will control the largest deposits of obsidian on Athas. By morning, the red and black will fly overb Akarakle and Haakar’s head will adorn the battlements of my new home.

Glad tidings, Merek

Book II, 24

Haakar is a powerful, free-willed, undead spirit. He
haunts the fortress Akarakle that once belonged to a
society of mages whose master he was. The society of
preservers had ties across Athas and fought against
the rise of the defilers. Their fortress, Dasaraches, in
the Dragon’s Crown Mountains, is now in the hands
of The Order.

Book II, 36

The Wind Mages, an ancient order of preservers which fought against the rise of defiling magic, built Dasaraches several thousand years ago.

Book III, p. 16

We may take from these passages evidence that reinforces our understanding from the BoA information. The war against the preservers was obviously going on concurrently with the Cleansing Wars, and perhaps were in many ways the same thing. We understand also that enough time had passed since the invention of sorcery for a society of mages, the Wind Mages, to have arisen, and that indeed they were quite powerful and sophisticated, enough so to create the Psionatrix itself. We suspect they were not the only society of powerful mages, as we are reminded that Bodach had its own powerful sorcerers that were great enough to destroy Irikos.

ASSESSMENTS

I dislike the extremely lengthy timelines given by 2nd Box. As I have argued in the past, Rajaat was meant to be human, as Denning was direct about this. We are meant to feel the association… Rajaat as a human makes his genocide closer to us… him being a pyreen would make his genocide more remote and disassociated from we gamers. Thus, as a human with an obviously augmented lifespan (due most likely to magic, psionics and then later his linking himself to the Spirit of Athas itself), he would be less prone to wait millennia, like some aloof elemental spirit, waiting for actions to play out.

Ignoring 2nd Box, we may speculate Rajaat wandered for a time, teaching for the first time students the ways of magic, not long after he himself learned. Even as the Inventor of Magic, and the notoriety he surely garnered by spreading such knowledge, he seems to have failed to find self-acceptance, and during a more human lifespan, probably ventured to find greater secrets. I cannot imagine his adventures in discovering the Pristine Tower, the Dark Lens, and even his power ritual at the Kano Swamps to be more than a few centuries. I rather prefer 170 years or so, which is enough to see the rise of the first orders of wizardry.

I then envision the official “return” of Rajaat, a great celebrity of the magical world, returning after being thought dead, and unveiling himself and potentially harboring grand secrets at the enigmatic Pristine Tower. Invitations may have been issues to come learn from the original Master of Magic, and arriving they would have discovered the halfling servants that served Rajaat, and beheld Rajaat as the possessor of profound magic.

Even with profound wisdom, impatience to rid the world of abominations would have driven Rajaat to act quickly. The idea of centuries or millennia passing while he idled about in his hate is not convincing. A generation or two at most would have been necessary, as Rajaat sifted his elite students for the right set of personal attributes, sociopathy, and potential for mastery of magic, psionics and genocide. During this same time, Rajaat might have returned to the public world as the ultimate bigot, and perhaps more subtly at first and then in stages more aggressively preaching hate of the demi-human to the human world. Again, only a general or two would be needed to spread this message far, wide, and deep. His hate likely already existed to one degree or another, and he merely became the master of it. He was after all the Master of Magic, wise in all things.

At the appropriate time he would have conducted the great ritual and created his first bevy of immortal 21st level dragons, and witnessed their power, and announced his genocidal war, likely to considerable fanfare. Wishing to respect the great work of our website’s Timeline as much as possible, I accept the proffered during of the Cleansing War, for it is -3531 when the Cleansing War begins and ends with the Rebellion -2025, that is nearly 1,500 years of mass war.

Rajaat probably expected the human mages to follow his lead and support the Cleansing Wars. When many preservers did not, including presumably a number of his own students, he was probably outraged, and demanded either their submission or destruction, their power being a threat to his designs. Hence the “jihad” against the preservers. It would have surely been concurrent with the Cleansing Wars. It being a “jihad” and being so targeted and hateful only makes sense if Rajaat genuinely believed his wizardly disciplines would all follow him in cleansing Athas. The thought of them disobeying, daring to question the conclusions of his awesome intellect, was probably insufferable to Rajaat, and not mention a risk.

CONCLUSIONS

As far as the timeline, by my estimation, the human Rajaat taught magic for some 50 years or so, and then as an old man disappeared for 170 years or so during which time he made his grand discoveries of the Dark Lens, Pristine Tower and the power ritual and the linking of his soul to the very spirit of Athas itself with experiments at Kano Swamp. Then Rajaat returned, a great celebrity, and began to preach his message of his in slow increments for perhaps two generations or so while he cultivated his future Champions. No doubt impatient, I cannot imagine him taking any longer, for if he did, promising prospects may have begun to die off before they were Transformed. Then Rajaat, a politicalesque figure, would have called for his initial crusade, and created his Champions to lead his crusaders. Some 1,500 years of war would have followed, both against all the demi-human races as well against the insubordinate wizards. Then we have the Rebellion, and then the timeline much as we all agree to.

In my campaign, I largely adhere to this chronological concept, more or less, when, if ever, it comes up.

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I’m a Dark Sun purist and I disregard the Prism Pentad; I’m all about city-states and SKs etc. But, I must say, I was pleased with 3.5e’s version, especially the map Beyond the Tyr-Region. And I have 4e just in case; I can still play it like it was 2e.

As for the topic, why would a druid want to enter a city-state? As for clerics, if you are a threat to the SK, you’re gone. However, a water-cleric would be most useful, so, a kind of trade-system would develop.

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