Yeah, exactly.
Even if the charter were in play, it wouldn’t limit discussions on the forums. Much less stuff anyone puts on their personal websites or whatever.
It matters to me. So “thank you very much” for effectively saying I and my opinion don’t matter. Way to encourage the community diversity and not alienate community members.
You can do 5e just fine, and I’m okay with you doing your thing.
But Athas.org has always been and always will be a 3e site, and that includes the forums.
The moment the Charter is confirmed by WotC to no longer be in effect, then Athas.org will be required to shut down and cease all operations, just like the Kargatane had to historically. So, I’m pretty sure the Charter does still matter, at least in that tiny sense, if nothing else.
So, if you prefer 2e… hmm, could the 3e prestige classes be back ported to psionic kits, perhaps? I’m less familiar with the kits, but i understand they were the prototype for the 3e prestige classes, so I’m guessing in theory it would work?
Or are kits not the direction you are trying to go?
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You opinion is absolutely allowed to matter. It is not allowed to be presented as a defacto straightjacket for other people’s ideas or actions, nor is my opinion, nor anyone else’s. Nor does your interpretation necessarily set or define Athas.org policy.
If you had said “I personally only stick to the Athas.org charter, so all of my ideas are exclusively 3.5e”, that’d be fine with me. You do you; I’ve definitely defended your right to your opinions in the past, despite or even because I don’t agree with them. But, implying (even accidentally) that other folks have to stick to them is not something I can get behind.
Ridged manners of thinking about things - like the charter - are the exact opposite of supporting community diversity and community members. I support people WANTING to think like that, I don’t support suggestions that everyone else HAS TO.
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From what I’ve seen, kits do seem like what the PrC idea was based on, yeah. Though backgrounds in 4e & 5e also seem to stem from different aspects the same idea.
Kits are more akin to Pathfinder’s Archetypes… they are not something that is worked towards, but rather an alteration of the character (in this case, their class) from their inception. In a way, you could also view them as similar to subraces… Instead of playing this type of elf, I’m playing a slightly different type of elf who is, nonetheless, still based on the elf.
That said, a lot of prestige classes work well backported into kits. A 3.5 Metamind might represent someone whose primary discipline is both Metapsionics and something else, with mastery of powers like Receptacle.
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I think the way Paladins, Knights, Avengers, and Druids worked in BECMI (class options chosen at 9th level) might be a more direct ancestor of the 3.x prestige class idea.
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I’ll have to take your word for it. I know next to nothing specific about BECMI.
I normally point to the 1e Bard, which requires a lot of dancing to even have a chance to be one.
Ah, yes, and the Druid class that requires you to be a Bard first or something?
No, the Bards are all Druids.
You have to be a fighter of no higher than 8th level.
Then a thief of no higher than 9th level.
Then you become a Bard, who is also a druid, except for spellcasting, and has bunch of other abilities.
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Ah, so simple - its a wonder i got it wrong… 
Like I said, not my are of expertise. Thank you for the info!
Ok, thinking about how genasi would manifest in Athas. First, here’s the Planewalker Handbook Genasi, written for Planescape.
Air
+1 Int, Dex, -1 to Wisdom, Charisma
Levitate 1/day at 5th level skill
+1 to save v. air magic per 5 levels
Can be priests, fighers, wizards, fighter/priests, fighter/wizards. If priests, have to be air priests. If specialist wizards, must be air elementalists. Cannot be lawful.
Earth
+1 Str, Con, -1 Wisdom, Cha
AC 8, Appraising Proficiency.
Pass Without Trace 1/day at 5th level skill
+1 save v. earth magic per 5 levels
Can be fighters, wizards, priests. No multiclass. If priests or specialist wizards, must choose earth. Can be paladins. Cannot be chaotic.
Fire
+1 Int, -1 Charisma
No damage from normal flame, +1 save v. fire magic per 5 levels
60’ infravision
Affect Normal Fires 1/day at 5th level skill
Fighters, Wizards, or Fighter/Wizards. If specialists, must be Fire specialists. Any alignment.
Water
+1 Constitution, -1 to Charisma
Create Water 1/day at 5th level skill
+1 save v. water magic per 5 levels
Can be Fighters, wizards, priests, and rogues (including bards), Fighter/thieves, and Fighter/priests. As usual, must serve water god, or specialize in water if they specialize. Must be at least partially neutral in alignment.
Not very Dark Sunny, but, crucially, it also goes against my elemental psionicist classes, which Cannot Be Allowed.(tm, patent pending)
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And it’s written in Gygax’s clear prose, as well.
Perhaps you could tweak it to be closer to the original legends. In those legends, the originals were spirits born of a sourceless fire. Those that disobeyed a famous command they didn’t like were rejected and cursed, becoming spirits of the wastes of ash, smole, fouled water, and corrupted fire.
Those that obeyed the command became somewhat weaker than before but also became able disguise themselves to live among humans unnoticed. They form small communities either among humans, far from humans in hidden areas in the wild, or live as wandering nomads.
Either of those versions would fit rather well, actually.
I am curious to know how you believe they’re counter to your design? I don’t see anything that strikes me as at odds with the other thread if you’re not referencing the lack of psionicist in the allowed classes.
Additionally, it makes sense to me that Athasian Genasi would be the mortal descendants of Clerics who were in the process of becoming Elementals.
Largely, that attributes don’t line up… Fire Genasi get a penalty to Charisma, whereas my version has Charisma be the element of pyrokineticists.
I’m all for them being the mortal descendants of powerful clerics, too. It spreads them out quite a bit.
I have simply ran Genasi as The Offspring of humanoids living too close to an Elemental vortices. The elemental “radiation” exposure on the fetus has a chance of creating a Genasi.
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Here I came thinking I would read on ruvoka, then I realized I read genasi, and thought ruvoka, but ruvoka and genasi are adjacent to each other yet distinct.
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Im doing Gensai for the Pristine Tower atm
Is there anything you folk think I should keep in mind to make them relevant to Dark Sun?
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