On psionics and resource depletion: The kick start of the collapse of the Green Age

So, this is a cool theory to talk about, at most for fun and not to impose it a truth or gospel.

In short: The collapse of the Green Age Civilization was inevitable due to resource depletion from an over-reliance of psionic technology. Magic and the cleansing wars just came as a consequence and sped up the collapse, overkilling the planet as well.

Yeah, I know it sounds crazy and NOT what is implied to have happened from an authorship pov, but I’d like to support my theory not only from what the lore implies, but also what the meta ecologist metaphor the setting aims to make.

First, let’s start by describing what psionics is: From the timeline given by athas.org, we know that the use of psionics started shortly after the beginning of the green age, where it manifested as a skill used by the newborn races of the rebirth. From what I was able to gather from most official and fan sources, despite psionics being latent in almost every being, the study of the Way, or how to use psionics, was a very protected knowledge, usually reserved for the wealthy and the city elites. Heck, according to Mind Lords of the Last Sea, during the Green Age criminals and lower class peoples used to be locked within obsidian orbs, psionic devices used basically as the equivalent of modern computers, for communication, teleportation, even as traffic lights. Also, considering that Athasian slavery is implied to have during this time, it seems that the Green Age civilizations were all to some degree harsh, stratified and hierarchical technocratic oligarchies. Basically, those within the elites who had the money and power to learn psionics dominated those who didn’t, with those on top living pampered easy lives while those on the bottom risked lobotomy should they not keep up with the system.

Despite that, the Green Age is described as a time of wonders, so despite being often described as a regular high magic fantasy setting, it would still mean they’d have a lot of advanced tech. Assumptions vary, but many say flying cities, super weapons, computer in the shaped of the obsidian orbs, locked elementals to power fountains, psionic locks, teleportation, and more.

Now it is proper to say, this level of sophistication is very close to what we have in our modern era, and this is where the correlation between my theory, our world and the collapse of Athas comes. In such a sophisticated and advanced civilization, in the span of 7 thousand years (longer than our industrial one), the peoples of Athas, with the use of psionic-powered technology, were able to mine out most easily available metals off the planet’s crust, not really depleting them, but to make most ores only reachable through specialized techniques and devices.

This is where I take us back to our planet, because unlike most other potential consequence from climate change, the one most people don’t talk about is that of resource depletion. You might think that ores and other metals are abundant on Earth, and they are, with a caveat. In reality, most ore deposits are reachable only through very sophisticated mining operations and machines that peer deep into the earth to find them. Before, you could go to any river and find nuggets of metal right there, something not really possible at least in industrialized countries (you could still do so in countries like the Congo or Venezuela, look it up). Another factor to consider, of course, is that the more and more sophisticated and interconnected technology and trade becomes, the more frail and vulnerable it becomes.

Now, if we consider that industrialization is barely 200 years old compared to 7000 years of psionic powered tech in Athas, you might need to hear that should a collapse in civilization happen, at least to the point that a considerable part of the knowledge and technology that powers said civilization is lost, it will make it very difficult for us to reach previous high stages ever again.

My claim is that this is what was about to happen in the Late Green Age, right before the Time of Magic, because after thousands of years of psionic dependency, economic inequality, slavery and oppression by the elites, the pressure was rising so that in the event of a revolution, or a disruption in the trade of resources powering society, basically civilization would never be able to recover the same. Not only that, but because resources were becoming more and more difficult to find, racial tensions to some degree may have started to pop up as the many civilizations started hovering or fighting over increasingly scarce resources.

Does that mean that Psionics was the culprit of Athasian collapse? No, none at all, but it layered the foundations of it, because when Rajaat introduced Magic to society, the first consequence was social upheaval as magic acted as an equalizer and slowly started to dismember the old order, and dues to the existing racial tensions previously mentioned, Rajaat only had to play within that frame to convince the many human masses to gather the armies of the champions, because it was a war not only for supremacy, but also to ensure humanity’s future, at least in the minds of the champions and their soldiers.

That means that despite magic being responsible for the destruction of the world, civilization was already being led to collapse because of psionics, and should Rajaat never appeared and introduce magic, society was still screwed, although not the planet necessarily. Ultimately, this twist makes the current state of the setting all the more tragic, and helps bringing blame not only to the Rajaat and the Champions, but also to everyone overall, which I think it’s more effective with the environmentalist message of Dark Sun.

So, what do you think? Cool theory right? Again, it doesn’t have to be true, but I think is cool to ponder about lore this way, even if it is about stuff that doesn’t really mean anything in the context of your games.

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This is certainly plausible; it has a lot in common with the “resource wars” that post-apocalyptic fiction has preceding societal collapse, and Mind Lords of the Last Sea bear out your assumptions about the level of technology possible in the Green Age.

The only conclusion I have an issue with is magic acting as an equalizer. I think it was certainly disruptive, but it didn’t equalize anything; every culture (presumably) had about the same level of psionic knowledge which, while controlled, had also saturated through the culture for 7000 years. Magical knowledge, on the other hand was new, and came largely from a single source… Rajaat. It didn’t have time to reach saturation.

Rather, I think magic would be a radically destabilizing force, creating inequality, when people who had it had a leg up on people who did not. Since it also exacerbated resource scarcity, it created even more chaos… people with magic could take from people without, and, in the process, ruined the land that made prosperity possible.

EDIT: Corrected grammar in second clause.

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Magic didn’t equalize power amongst cultures or nations, it equalized amongst the population. Think of the phrase “economic inequality” today - it doesn’t necessarily suggest that France or Canada is less rich than another country, it expresses inequality across society (i.e., rich vs. poor). Upending social order doesn’t speak to just wars between nations, but to ripping entrenched people from their positions of power and putting newly socially mobile folks in their places.

Fun idea, and i like considering such mechanisms in the setting, but i feel like your pitch that psionics was to blame is a bit off the mark - money, clerical magic, or just slavery and oppression could have easily been the main tool that propped up Green Age society instead, and it wouldn’t have made any difference; at the end of the day, it would have still collapsed because it was unsustainablely exploitive and lopsided.

Its like saying that “during a century-long nuclear winter, its plants’ own fault they died, because using the sun’s light to live was a bad choice - morons… :wink:

But, like i said, i love the thought experiment anyway! :heart:

I think it’s a difference in the use of terminology; in your example, of formerly lower caste people being able to overthrow the social order, I wouldn’t put that as being an equalizer, but as a disruptor… to doesn’t make them equal, it just disrupts the hierarchy.

An equalizer would be something like a firearm… something that everyone can access that, in theory, puts everyone on an equal footing.

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Right. The ability the take up magic - a new and relatively unknown power- and excel at it allows previously downtrodden or marginalized people to level the playing field when dealing with power psions. They have a way to take back power.

Its 100% phrasing and semantics.

So, I’ll weigh in on this one.

Psi is completely different from magic. It does not tap into the environment at all for its power source, being the ultimate in clean energy. HOWEVER, the side effects of psi can be every bit as damaging as any other power or method.

Furthermore, psi inherently places more pressure upon a society from a social, political, ideological, and potentially religious point of view than other forms of power.

Why?

Psi specializes in the mind to a much greater degree than other power sources, including magic. (D&D wizards are basically using math as spells, a sorcerer on the other hand is closer to a psi user than most.) A practicing psi must have a disciplined mind and/or serious skill to channel emotions. This focus on mental skills, if widespread, will have serious consequences for individuals and society. In Athas, it is called the WILL and the Way for a reason.

I propose that drawing forth energy from within and shaping reality around nothing but an idea in the head likely produces highly confident individuals who firmly believe they and their perceptions are accurate and correct. The more of such people you have around, the more likely any differences between them will be magnified negatively.

Without an equally disciplined sense of humility, compassion, and wisdom balancing such towering intellects… such a society is very likely to imbalance, in my opinion. Imagine a lot of rich, powerful, and smart people potentially lacking in morals or ethics competing for the top… oh, wait, that sounds just like Athas… or Earth.