Shadowpeople / shadow giants

This tidbit in RaFoaDK made me consider what I had not before.

For ages Rajaat had explored the sun and light; in the Hollow, he studied dark and shadow. That’s when he made the shadowfolk and the shadowfolk made you.

The lore says Rajaat’s halfling servants were imprisoned in the Black by the traitors, but was their newfound existence as shadowpeople a result of that imprisonment?

RaFoaDK posits another possibility, that Rajaat told his trapped servants how to become shadowpeople themselves, or perhaps how the next generation could.

It seems suspicious that shadowpeople would turn out so formidable as merely a side effect of their imprisonment, and not as intention? So why can’t the two things - imprisonment and turning into shadowpeople - not be seperate outcomes stemming from the actions of seperate parties for wildly different reasons?

Thoughts?

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I don’t personally see a good reason that Rajaat can’t have influenced the process of his servants becoming the shadow people.

Isn’t there a canon scene of a shadow person leaning against the Hollow and speaking to Rajaat in one of the novels, or am I misremembering?

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Yes, it’s in the prologue of Cerulean Storm. Khidar’s eyes and mouth appear in the ‘edge’ of the Black where he can telepathically talk to Rajaat.

Beneath the scratching talons appeared a pair of blue embers and a long slitlike mouth. The features were all the skeleton ever saw of its servants. The shadow people were part of the Black, as trapped within the dark shell as their master was, inside the emptiness of the egg.
We felt your summons, Omnipotent One. The servant used thought-speech to report, for sound did not exist within the skeleton’s eternal prison.

The shadow people do seem extremely powerful, and presumably that wasn’t the goal of the Champions/sorcerer-kings imprisoning them. So it makes sense that their power comes from something Rajaat did.

(I wonder why the Champions imprisoned the halflings that would become shadow people rather than simply killing them? Rajaat couldn’t be killed, but surely that didn’t apply to his servants…)

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Yeah, i wondered the same thing.

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Maybe Rajaat had the ability to bring his servants back to life? Tithian asks if Rajaat can give him that power, and Khidar says something like “Rajaat can give you magic, what you do with it is up to you” - but he doesn’t say it’s not possible. And Sadira, when she’s fighting the wraiths in the Gray in Cerulean Storm, thinks that Borys gave the soul gems to his captains(?) who became wraiths to store their life energy so that he could bring them back to life if they were killed.

So maybe the Champions did kill Rajaat’s minions, and he restored them, so they then had to imprison them in the Black?

Or … the shadow people aren’t halflings anymore, they need obsidian to reproduce in some kind of weird incubator process. That could be a result of whatever Rajaat did. If that RaFoaDK quote means they were made shadow people after Rajaat had had time to study his new imprisoned state, maybe they were killed in the battle to imprison Rajaat, but instead of passing into the Gray their souls/essences were trapped by the imprisonment spell. So they were still available to Rajaat later, when he learned about the nature of the Hollow and the Black, and he gave them new shadow bodies?

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Btw, I had the impression the shadow people were not spellcasters, and that Sadira’s transformation was the result of activating certain artifacts. As per PP.

But in RaFoaDK the shadow people are spellcasters (who use the Black or the sun, or both, as a power source), and they did cast spells on Sadira to complete her transformation.

Based on what’s written, though it is likely contradictory, which one is correct, or are they both correct?

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Hmm, interesting question.

I had always seen the PP shadow giants/shadow people as not spellcasters, but having significant “innate” magical powers related to the Black (like when Umbra wipes out a whole bunch of Tyrian soldiers in Crimson Legion). Sadira does say things about their power being derived from the sun, and linked to hers; she says early in Cerulean Storm that her magic won’t work against them. So I think there’s something there… But not spellcasting in the usual sense.

I looked up the shadow giant entry in the Dark Sun MC Appendix II, and it says “Shadow giants are the descendants of the loyal servants of Rajaat who the Champions sacrificed to complete the betrayal of their master. These halflings merged with the Black and can only interact with the real world in the form of shadows.” That does support that they weren’t just imprisoned in the Black… They were “sacrificed”, apparently as part of the Rajaat-imprisoning spell itself.

Maybe they were the living creature sacrifices for a major dragon magic spell, but since it was part of the imprisonment spell their souls or equivalent got imprisoned and Rajaat could then access them to make into shadow people.

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There’s nothing to keep individual shadow people from being spellcasters, especially if they’re occasionally personally speaking to the guy who invented arcane magic.

Likewise, there’s nothing to say that the shadow people, in general, don’t have “rituals” and whatever or use artifacts like the Dark Lens or Steeple of Crystals to achieve all sorts of supernatural effects…

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Except that it is stated clearly in the novels that halflings can’t wield arcane magic, which is why Rajaat used humans as his champions.
Now, you can argue that being shadow people means they are no longer halflings and that the nature of their transformation means they can now do cast spells, but one thing that’s interesting to note is that in the CS they partially emerge from the black as halflings:
“Khidar?” Tithian gasped. “I thought you were a giant!”
“Of course not, you imbecile,” Sacha chided. “The shadow people are descended from the last of Rajaat’s halfling servants.”
Shadows play strange tricks with size, do they not?" Khidar added, grinning. He now had a fully featured face, with short-cropped hair, blue eyes, an upturned nose, and bright white teeth. "Your ignorance is understandable. There weren’t many of our people. Most halflings of the Green Age wanted nothing to do with the Cleansing Wars.
Tithian ran his eyes over the devastated park, not at all interested in the history of the shadow people. “I don’t suppose you can tell me where to find Rajaat.”
Khidar pointed a black finger toward the edge of the burning thicket. Although the halfling’s head was now completely solid, the rest of his body remained a mere shadow. “Rajaat has told me you must look for him in the heart of Ur Draxa,” Khidar said.

and later:
“Don’t worry about a disguise,” said Khidar. “I’ll make certain the Draxans are too busy to concern themselves with you. Besides, until you destroy Rajaat’s prison completely, my people can emerge from the Black only partially. (this support RaFoaDK that they are tied to Rajaat’s prison in some way) With us wandering through the city, you’ll be only one of many strange things loose in the streets.”


Soon, they came upon three strange beings leading a dozen slaves after a portly templar. The creatures resembled the ancient halflings of the Blue Age, save that they were part shadow and part person. The leader had a material head and a shadowy body, while another had solid limbs but nothing else. The third was split down the center, half silhouette and half physical.
When the leader of the half-shadows saw Rikus and Sadira, he called out in the strange language of the city. Though she did not understand the words, the sorceress recognized the voice speaking them.
"Khidar!

One curious thing is the way Sadira defeats them, which shed some light on their nature (pun very much intended):
Then she remembered Rikus’s description of his fight with Umbra. Even with the Scourge, the mul had been unable to defeat the shadow giant until he dropped his torch. The weakness of Khidar’s people, she realized, was that without light there could not be shadow.
Sadira turned her palm toward the ground, preparing to cast a darkness spell. She felt the energy flowing up her arm-then the familiar tingle abruptly vanished when it reached the black stain on her shoulder. The half-shadow gripping her by the collar screamed in pain, then suddenly released his grip and fell away.
He looked as though a bolt of lightning had blasted away part of his body, with wisps of black smoke streaming off the empty place where there had once been the silhouette of a shoulder.
At first, Sadira did not understand, but then she realized what had happened. Shadow people had no life-forces of their own; they existed only as silhouettes marking the absence of energy-usually in the form of light. So direct contact with a mystic power-one of the most potent forms of energy-annihilated them.

All in all I think this is a case where the cruelty of the SMs came back to bite them, they used Rajaat’s halfling servants as part of the spells to imprison him, and probably thought they are gonna be helplessly imprisoned in the Black and die off, and didn’t even consider they would survive and adapt (most likely with Rajaat’s help).

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True, but even if one accepts that halflings can’t use arcane magic “because setting” (and, meh, honestly), that doesn’t keep the shadow people from doing supernatural stuff that’s “magic -like” but not actually casting arcane spells - manipulating planar energies and the like.

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Excellent conclusions, everyone :slight_smile:
In any case, Abbey’s three novels do use the same words to talk about the other forms of D&D magic than they use to talk about sorcery. The shadow-people may be doing magic in the Steeple of Crystal, but it may not be sorcery (wizard class). It can be elemental, or a new thing never seen elsewhere or since.

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I think the Prism Pentad is actually inconsistent about halflings using magic. Nok seems to be using some kind of preserver dragon magic (since he made Ktandeo’s cane, which is specifically using obsidian the same way dragon magic does, to draw on animal/people life forces) in Verdant Passage and Amber Enchantress. In Cerulean Storm, the sorcerer-kings claim that Rajaat didn’t make halflings his champions because they can’t use magic; Rikus objects that he’s seen halfling magic (surely talking about Nok) and Sadira says “that was elemental magic”. But in the earlier books, IMO, it pretty clearly wasn’t - this is a retcon.

(Or maybe not a retcon per se, since the Cerulean Storm stuff is all characters talking, not authorial voice. But it’s at least confusing and apparently inconsistent.)

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Or maybe shadow magic? In game terms, shadow wizards are using wizard magic… but they don’t seem to be drawing on life energy per se (plant or animal), so I’m not sure it’s the same thing in-world.

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Indeed, unless of course Nok isn’t really a halfling but a disguised pyreen or avangion, but then again, I believe both were a later addition to the setting, and the books came out way before…

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Nok using some variant of dragon magic in making Ktandeo’s cane might be vaguely parallel to an avangion (in the “preserver equivalent of a dragon”) sense, but I don’t think either avangions or pyreens (as we know them from the rules books) are ever even hinted at in the Prism Pentad. Rajaat isn’t called a pyreen in Cerulean Storm, he seems to be an unique mutant (there’s one reference to his “human spirit” but that might be a figure of speech).

Avangions are in Dragon Kings, so they were invented when the later Prism Pentad books were written, but they aren’t mentioned.

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I’ll reiterate my headcanon that some halflings are able to use wizard magic due to a gnomish ancestor.

In the 2e version, halflings could only be illusionists. In 2e illusion magic that did damage was based on the target believing they would take damage from the spell. There was only one line that created semi-real damage and that could be considered to be illusions so powerful that the unconscious mind couldn’t shake the idea that it could be real, so it hurt even when the conscious mind knew it wasn’t possible.

With this interpretation it isn’t so much that the original Rhulisti couldn’t use magic, but that they had such an ingrained cultural belief in the sanctity of life that it was their own minds preventing them from using it the way Rajaat needed giving rise to the myth that “halfings” couldn’t use magic. Especially with the Cleansing Wars having them largely absent and Rajaat’s prohibition against interaction with them, it’s more of a self fulfilling prophecy type issue. We know Rajaat didn’t want to mess with them much, because they were the beings he wanted to return the world to, having been “perfect”. If he changed them, he’d be breaking his own worldview.

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It’s also possible that the sorcerer-kings who say in Cerulean Storm that ‘Rajaat chose human champions because halflings can’t use sorcery’ are just guessing. Rajaat wasn’t telling them the truth, he told them that his goal was to return the world to humans - not halflings. So they must be guessing to some degree.

And whatever Nok is doing, it’s certainly not the same as what the Champions/SKs do (whether it’s just a preserver/defiler distinction as Verdant Passage and Amber Enchantress seem to me to imply, or something much more fundamentally different and elemental in nature as Sadira says in Cerulean Storm).

So ‘halflings can’t use [the right kind of] magic’ might just be a logical but incorrect deduction (Rajaat picked human champions for his own weird reason, which he never told anyone).

One possible reason IMO is that it was a backup plan for if the Cleansing Wars had gone wrong. If he’d picked halfling Champions, and all the other races had united against the halflings and won, then halflings would be extinct. With the human Champions he chose, if the other races successfully united against humanity and wiped out humanity… well, that would still be one Rebirth race down (plus any others wiped out in the process), and he could start over again with elven or dwarven or giant Champions.

Also, Rajaat’s halfling servants are described as being few in number … the other halflings were either the very non-warlike rhul-thaun of the Jagged Cliffs or the stone age forest halflings. They might not have had the numbers and logistical capabilities to fight a successful Cleansing Wars even with fifteen superpowered Champions leading them. The Champions weren’t entirely unkillable, and even if you didn’t know how to kill them they could be potentially defeated/removed as a threat in other ways (sufficiently capable imprisonment, etc).

Halflings being able to use sorcery now (whether because of gnome ancestry or something else) but not being capable back in -3500 FY or so is also a possibility.

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I’m definitely personally leaning towards Rajaat just being full of :poop:, and halflings simply “can’t” (i e., don’t) use (arcane) magic b/c he didn’t teach any of them it - he’s demonstratively insane, so its not a far reach to imagine that Rajaat couldn’t handle the idea of teaching the “perfect” halflings arcane magic if he was going to try and reboot the world to the Blue Age; halflings didn’t have sorcery in the Blue Age, so halfling wizards would break that perfection.

But, YMMV.

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That makes a lot of sense.

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