Fun fact: the Hebrew name for wadie is Nahal-Achzav, which literally means “disappointing stream/brook”
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Why? Why just go with the Arabic term? Why not Arroyo (Spanish), Donga (Afrikaans, derived from Zulu)?
Come to think of it, none of the terms we’re talking about are particularly accurate as they all refer to dry river beds that seasonally flood with water. Arguably that’s not the case on Athas except in certain areas (the Ringing Mountains for example) - there’s no seasonal flood.
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The term “river” has been used to describe moving bodies non-water substances in plenty of fantasy literature. Lava, blood, fire, sand, all come to mind.
The average Athasian wouldn’t even remember a time when rivers of water existed, never mind what a dried up one would be called.
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The Wadi in my campaign flooded in Spring once. It made for a cool tense scenario while the players were using it as a highway. Especially since the walls of the wadi are canyon like, only a few exits and entrances.
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Incredibly late comment, but you wouldn’t happen to have written any more stuff about the Sundered Regions, would you, Sysane? I’ve found a few more pages archived in the Dark Sun Public Share folder, like about metamages, H’rohg, and Darqwyn.
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Other than whats there and this thread no.
Happy to answer questions though.
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In my campaign your Dark Copula was created for rhul halfling circle of druids to protect their home from the Sun changes and the dragon magic and other catastrophic events. Forest of Souls is a forest with wild life-shaped creatures and creations and the places (cities and villages) are rhul not elven here.
For me has a lot more sense the green forest masses on DS belong to halflings the halflings who fled the Brown Tide and other events.
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One question i have is how the illithids in the dark copula act if some psurlons manage to found them? I read that psurlons and illthids are somewhat related. Notice that psurlons are adapted to athasian sun unlike illithids
I imagine they had conflict at somepoint in the past during the height of the Illithid Empire. If they encountered each other in present day Athas, I’d think the psurlons would actively seek to undermine the illithid of the Cupola and bring about its destruction.
Returning to the Sundered Region or Anattan continent writ-large, attached below are a series of some of the best maps I have found from the community that cover at least the western half of this mysterious continent. I do this to help us understand this continent better, and to compare, contrast, and consider possibilities for what we would like to see in this vast land mass. I lead with what I think is one of the very best extant maps, one which covers most of this eastern continent, and for that matter much of the Dark Sun world:
Compared to other similar maps, it reduces that often far too enormous footprint of the Dead Lands, which too often dominates the southern portions of our maps to distasteful degree. I would want to play in Dark Sun, and not in the Dead Lands campaign. Even in this map, the Dead Lands is as large as the Tablelands. That is plenty of room to play in. We do not need it as a super-continental block of obsidian that blocks off Athas to the southern Silt Ocean.
I believe that Sysane and Darkinterloper are some of the key creative talents behind this Eastern Continent, which by our usual loose consensus I believe we are calling Anattan, after the city of Anatta which lies to the west of the so-called Burning Forest in the southern part of the continent. The few who know of this great land mass in the Tyr Region might call it that as we in the West in the real world call the eastern part of the world “Asia”, who in some ancient past originally referred only to a comparatively small portion of western Anatolia.
However, compare the map above with the solid work from the famous work of Brian Sanchez and the Athasian Cartography project. It is much starker, cleaner, and empty. Do we prefer that the Anattan continent be so sparse? Indeed, I prefer it to be more desolate than the Tablelands:
Lastly, compared Darkhelm to the newer DarkSunRising [who was behind this great project?] version of the continent. A tasteful conflation, I would say. This map provides more space for silt sea culture, and is also considerably more empty and forlorn, though surely he would say there is room for expansion and further detail. I have often favored this map in many respects.
I also include here Sysane’s work from many years ago. I believe he has stated he has taken a step back from this map, and I am cautious with it, but that said I believe it has floated for years, and has seeded our minds and imagination with many concepts. Darinterloper’s work stems I think in large part from this original map, and though I prefer to progress to a less cluttered and more forlorn vision of Anatta, I believe we should keep an ear to Sysane’s early work on the continent:
And of course we should include Darkinterloper’s work on the western portion of the continent, which includes the “Spiral Lands”, which I am to take it is a polite lift from another fantasy writer named Mike Fleming. I quite like the map in many ways, and am considering how best to incorporate his thoughtful exploration of the region.
I proffer these maps in a single post to re-launch here a discussion of some of the core themes of this continent. I admit I currently lack the skills to draft such skillfully rendered maps, especially maps in the manner of the original boxed set, which I would prefer. But even if I did, I am not yet confident enough to understand what we would prefer here or not, and as has long been our tradition here at Athas.org, I would like to try to include many of the best ideas from over the years. And obviously, to each his own version of Athas, but we have I think benefited from a strong tone of loose consensus about many of these matters. We tend to appreciate and respect the creators of Hither Athas, and this is why we have given the nod of general approval to the Athasian Cartographer Guild. But for the purposes of play, some more work is needed, I would argue, and some concepts need further maturation / development.
In an effort to help organize our lines of interest, here are some key cities/locations that in my opinion need further definition, or a strong revision from Sysane’s early brief details, which perhaps need some further development:
City of Anatta
City of Braxon
City of Calhurst
City of Elramyth
City of Haadragor
City of Khormen
City of Phoj (I think this city will not exist in my campaign)
City of Shorn
City of Stormport
Republic of Suna (not on these maps, but on the Sundra peninsula on the NE of the continent)
-note, the snippet about Suna that Grummore found discovered is inchoate and underwhelming; I propose we consider another description of the Republic of Suna that makes more sense
City of Tradelords (I have disliked the city, as much as anything as for its name)
And as far as locations, development is needed for:
Eleven Stones
The Scorched Forest
The Forest of Souls
Island of a Thousand Woes
The history and culture of the region also needs much attention. I speculate the cultural bases of Nibenay and Raam come from the southern portion of this continent in antiquity, and further speculate that some of these cities, such as Anatta and Khormen have moderated elements of this culture base. I also speculate that the Yuan-ti cult originated in the southern portion of the continent, originally a great swamp land called the Ghat, which is no more. But much else is needed to make the continent more playable. Especially challenging is the influence of Draxan culture, whether it be proto-Draxans from the Eben culture, Draxans who have somehow migrated from Ur-Draxa while it stood (and any empire they enjoyed), and refugee Draxans from the super-city’s collapse, must especially the surviving Dead Lords, such as the Lord Mariner. Also, the presence of advanced beings, and especially any other “dragon” that might exist on this continent, for Nok stated that “many” dragons existed throughout the world.
I shall offer what I develop as I go, but as always I of course request your input, your previous work, and any criticisms and ideas to help build this mysterious and fascinating part of the world.
Sysane, in my campaign I fear I am leaning towards scrappung the Dark Cupula. In my thoughts on it, I just prefer such exotic non-Athasian monsters not have such a strong and large impact on the Anattan continent.
As you designed it so long ago, are you pleased with the design and placement of this unique realm? Or in a wider scope, what might you have changed now regarding the Sundered Region, apart from your original, early vision for this side of Athas?
Darkinterloper, Sysane, in your maps of the Sundered Region in and around Khormen, especially in the city itself, the name “Thar” is incessantly repeated.
Who or what was “Thar”? Why is he near omnipresent in Khormen? I believe it was originally presented in Sysane’s map of the region from 20 years ago, so perhaps this is a question for Sysane.
The only thing about the Cupola I’d change is its size. Reducing to slightly less than half its current radius.
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A question for Darkinterloper to address. Thar isn’t something I developed,
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Thanks for the answers Sysane. I shall have to bug Darkinterloper on the Thar issue.
Due to your continued support of the Dark Cupola, I shall continue to strive to maintain it. I am unable as yet to wrap my mind around it, but I shall endeavor.
Question on it: What is at the center of the Dark Cupola? Is there a building, a monster, a person?
A tower which generates the Dark Cupola. Surrounding the tower is a small walled city.
The first map you show is awesome! Where can I get a better resolution of that map to allow zooming in and reading places?
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Hi there buddy. Welcome aboard.
So just so you know, heroes of these forums have resurrected the ancient Athasian Cartographer’s Guild over this last year, and have set up some new maps they put a lot of work and thought into. I know they also drew upon these older maps that I posted, that were variously made over the last twenty or so years. Check them out at: https://ds.daegmorgan.net/
That said, I do really like the combined super map that led my post. It was an influential map to much of my thinking on the subject of the Anattan continent. Not certain who made it, but they did a great job. I think the file is too big for me to post it raw, but if you DM me with an email address, I can send it your way. Otherwise, it is buried somewhere on a file in Athas.org.
You ought to be able to put the map you speak of onto Google Drive, set the shareing to Everyone Edits, and post the link here. Then its immediately accessible to everyone who wants it.
Is it the heavily painted Jhonny Picasso map?