Epic Athas 3.5 by redking (WIP)

[redking]

@Imraisen

• Standard Preserver entry to AC 4/1, then AC 10, Mind Mage 10, +1 Preserver, +1 Nomad, Evolved Paragon 1
• Yes, yes, I know, Dragon Magazine, but how else will I get the stop-gap CL?

This is good. Some familiar territory. I’ll say to you what I said to BMdragon.

@redking

I’ve got reservations about using 2 different dual progression classes in the same build. It smacks of metagaming your PC or NPC. As for the mind mage, yes, I do like it. Very powerful though.

@Imraisen

Very tight on feats without the Avangion/Dragon Magic capstone on this version of AC and the extra metamagic/metapsionic feat.

Also this.

@redking

you could just add advanced magic granting dragon magic or avangion magic from TN as an additional capstone to 10 level AC - it’s no big deal.

I’d be happy to add that capstone to UM ACere.

@Imraisen

Hard to make a case for any other Salient Feat choice at 22HD than AB Exaltation; you could remove the Spellcasting route in exchange for Skills.

Is it the BAB or the saving throws that weighs more heavily?

@Imraisen

Psiotheurgist: Conjuration (teleportation),

I think there is some confusion here. Are you using psiotheugist from Dragon Magazine, which has exactly the same article name as my psiotheurgy feat but is different? And that accounts for your conjuration caster/manifester level?

When I first saw the psiotheurgy feats in Dragon Magazine, I said “wow”. That was years ago and I am still saying it.

@Imraisen

EDIT(s) 9: Overall, much more reasonable. In running through the math, as long as the classes are full Manifester/full casting, ECL 27 as the earliest level to cast the first metamorphosis spell. It is the same as if one took Mind Mage. CL/ML will be very different. 4/1/10/Mindbender 1/MotW 5/Arch Defiler 6 would work as a ‘standard entry’.

EP is supposed to be a post epic PrC, but it is permissible in how you get there which is why it doesn’t have any hard limitations, like a set number of ranks for prerequisites. Perhaps it should. Because of the hockey stick effect you pointed out, the EP let’s these feat starved builds bounce back.

Can you elaborate a bit on your standard entry?

Edit: your standard entry has 9s on both sides and a CL/ML of 17, right?